

Here’s one as food for thought on the Digg vibe. Yesterday, I saw a segment on BBC World about the free music download portal SpiralFrog. Scheduled to launch in December, this alleged iTunes killer is to offer music at no cost whatsoever, but instead be fully ad-supported. If you ask me, this seems like a rather strange way to attack the rising problem of illegal downloading and if it goes through, I think even fewer people will actually buy the music than is the case today.
In any case, that being about the gist of what I thought, I wrote a short post about it on a blog I have together with the fearless iguana expert Cuppojoe. (Which we should either resuscitate, by the way, or perhaps euthanize for good, am I right? That is the blog, not the iguana.)
The point, however, is that this story already got dugg, but seems to have been buried today by a duplicate. My problem is this duplicate was submitted by my blogging buddy Smaran of Das Blog. So, though it may look like I’m kind of kicking his lower back here, I think it’s actually rather cool of him and I hope he does take it well. This is about Digg, not him, of course.
Here’s a small timeline I reconstructed (all times CET and approximate).
10.00 a.m. Digg user Erwlas submits the story.
10.30 a.m. I see the story on the news.
11.00 a.m. I post about it.
12.00 p.m. Koregaonpark (my mate) submits the story as well.
Twenty-four hours later, I see the second story has made it to the front page (799 diggs) and the first one (35 diggs) got buried and called a dupe.
See, this is what I don’t quite get (or perhaps even like) about Digg. I am very happy for my pal that he made it to the front page, but I thought submitting a story first should somehow give you a fair go to make it to the top. Is this because my friend has more connections who will digg him? Or doesn’t it really matter, and is all of it quite susceptible to chance?
Trust me; this is not a story of spitefulness, revenge or resentment. I once submitted maybe three stories and got Dugg once, but that was months ago and I actually don’t follow things that close-up anymore. What does ‘concern’ me is that if the scoop doesn’t count anymore, what does? If it is unpredictable luck that moves the stories up or down, then what am I reading, the results of a lottery?
Digg itself has been ‘dugg and buried’ by hundreds of thousands over and over and it has its merits and its drawbacks, sure. This is a minor thing and greater issues have been addressed in the past, but if I can’t be sure of how these stories get there in the first place, how sure am I that I’m reading the hottest, top technology news in any case?
I know, I’m stretching things here and I should probably find better things to do than waste my time with this. So bury me if you like, or perhaps… maybe I’ll get dugg? It’s all a matter of chance.
30 August 2006 at 11:17 am
Hey,
I take no offence. But take these two things into consideration. I submitted a BBC story, which has a ton more holding than you’re to-be-eauthanised blog, which even I as your friend haven’t heard of till now!
Secondly, I do have a few “powerful” (in the weird social hell of Digg sense) friends who have me added and usually see what I’ve submitted/dugg.
How do you define the hottest top tech. news? Digg isn’t about what’s making headlines on USA Today or even the BBC. It’s about what its members think is important and cool. You get no assurance from anyone that you’re reading the so-called ‘hottest’ news. This is the social Internet, Web 2.0. Get used to it. Top journalists and media personalities aren’t the Gods of today’s media, we are. I am. Muahaahaahaa *evil laugh* … you can call me Icarus, or Bob Sinclar,
30 August 2006 at 11:30 am
Hey Smarrr! Thanks for commenting. You’re right that Digg doesn’t guarantee me anything, and in a way that’s a bit what I’m talking about in fact. What’s the Digg effect worth if it’s based on coincidence? Maybe I expect too much, perhaps I’m too old-skool?
Anyway, it just struck me that someone, like this Erwlas guy, can apparently submit something almost three hours before someone else (you, hehe), and still get killed-off. Perhaps I felt sorry for the poor chap. Good on you, though and I appreciate the dialogue.
Mind you, I never dugg this and that stillborn blog has in fact nothing to do with it. It was never the source of all of this and it’s definitely lowlier than the BBC, hehe!
Thanks for the digg, btw. LMAO!
30 August 2006 at 11:44 am
Hahaha… it’ll be awesome if THIS hits the frontpage. LOL!
About the ‘digg effect’, it’s become overblown. It sure is cool that a site’s traffic can skyrocket because of its popularity on Digg, but that shouldn’t be the reason why people write stories, to lure in Diggers. If you’ve got good content, it’ll be dugg. Don’t make that your aim.
As I said in the e-mail, I don’t have the time to check for duplicate submissions. I don’t spend all of time submitting and reading stories, just a good portion of it :-)
Yet, it’s not like the system doesn’t work. It does. If there are two stories on the same bit of news and both are from at least semi-credible sources you’ll notice that the one submitted first usually hits the frontpage.
I don’t know how the system works, I just know it does. I will keep on pushing the button every 108 minutes and I know that there are two (or more) people sitting in a room full of TVs noting down what I do. Brr…
30 August 2006 at 2:41 pm
Hey! Have a little respect for the dead… ;)
31 August 2006 at 2:14 am
hey sweet. how wonderful to come home to your comments…thank you so much!
glad to see that i have much to read back on, you have been busy writting away, yuppiii!!
hope you have been well…oh sweet, i would love for you to see what we have just seen in our travels..you wouldn’t believe the beauty of nature sometimes…i wish i could describe to you it all…ask Joe to tell you about the tunnels and the passess i scream over but are so darn beautiful…
the kids are mostly excited to go back to school. it is i who is not thrilled. i am too selfish, i like their company and love having them around…and i’m in no hurry to endless hours of homework again, lol..
read your old post soon…hugs.
1 September 2006 at 5:06 pm
Who in the name of dependancy is Chana?
12 September 2006 at 5:00 pm
Hi, I was the original poster of the story and was surprised that my story was buried and shown as a dupe. But, as I see it, my digg network is small. While in real life I have a multitude of friends, in digg I have one and that I’m afraid is where the issue is.
Like a large news organisation, a popular digger can have his or her story catapulted in front of a large number of people quickly, despite the fact that their story was a dupe. Their story suceeded, mine was buried. Never mind!
12 September 2006 at 6:31 pm
Like I said: Digg moves in mysterious ways. It was mere chance that I noticed this and I felt I had to point this out. Pity for you, but I hope you’ll keep digging.
Thanks for the comment in any case.